FavreMontana (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Gravity is a pull? Gravity is a push? pull--Newton push--Einstein There is evidence to prove Einstein precisely. Newton was wrong. Yet the "pull of gravity" is still taught in school. How much will it matter that evidence shows climate is controlled predominantly by the sun and PDO's? And that ~50% of 'warming' registered since 1980 is anthropogenic, non-greenhouse anthropogenic (i.e. non-manmade co2)? As we can see by some commentors here and in other blogs evidence isn't an important factor.

grastog1313 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

One reason for citing the Lean/Rind paper, beyond its confirmation of extensive previous work documenting the predominance of CO2 in the warming of the past 100 years, is that it's available online. I've mentionded that the science literature universally recognizes anthropogenic warming, but many viewers have no access to the journals. In this case, they can read the paper to draw their own conclusions rather than reading arguments from others - Google "Lean Rind 2008" and download the pdf file.

gufpott (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

It arrives at the same conclusion via a different route. You fail to acknowledge how the analysis is only as good as the whopping great index combining 8 puprorted anthropogenic forcings. After I pointed it out to you. The paper demonstrates a good relationship to the index - now demonstrate how the index has physcial meaning. Without that, the paper amounts to no advance whatsoever.

FavreMontana (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Yes, there was very serious problems with GISS and NOAA data for October 2008. It turns out October 2008 was the 77th hottest October on record not the 2nd hottest as was originally reported.

grastog1313 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I'm glad gufpott referred to the Lean/Rind paper. Its significance doesn't lie in its conclusions, which reinforce evidence previously found in hundreds of reports documenting the predominance of human CO2 emissions in driving global warming. Rather, what's interesting is that it arrives at the same conclusion via a different route. Particularly important, however, is that it's available online, so viewers can read it to form their own judgements - Google "Lean Rind 2008" and download the pdf.

gufpott (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Can't believe you are still flogging that Lean Rind analysis grastog. Credit to whoever put together that whopping great index combining 8 estimates of anthropogenic forcings. The paper attributes it to Hansen. Oh dear - bang goes any hope that the index comes free from any burden of a pro-AGW agenda.

FavreMontana (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

ALASKAN GLACIERS GROWING FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE LITTLE ICE AGE MORE RECORD COLD in the United States. This time in Southern States.

grastog1313 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

There seems to be disagreement here as to the quality of evidence underlying universal recognition of anthropogenic warming in the science literature. In such cases, it's always useful for those interested to visit sources themselves rather than trying to referee YouTube arguments - in this case Nat. Geosci. J. Climate, GRL, etc. For a recent GRL paper available online and confirming hundreds of previous reports documenting the predominance of CO2-driven warming, one can Google "Lean Rind 2008".

solargw (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I have pointed out to grastog1313 how the peer review system works in AGW science and she always says over and over is it is a good system. But we know the real truth, it is only a reading of the report with no access to the data that made up the findings and is done by like minded people (like grastog1313 who are blinded to any thing that does not agree with her view) which equals biases

grastog1313 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Although anthropogenic warming and the dangers it poses are recognized nearly unanimously in the science literature, myths of controversy continue on the web, including the myth that the world is cooling. At the moment, it's warming, after brief La Nina cooling ending in June, but these ups and downs typify the long term C02-driven warming of the past 100 years. Those interested can view any of the temperature monitoring sites - HadCRUT3, NCDC, GISS, UAH, RSS, etc. to draw their own conclusions.