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TVRf4N (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Agreed. Not to take anything away from automatics, but when you pick up a revolver you just get the sense that it will work every time. There is an underlying tone if reassurance.
JustOneGunner (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The fact that they were autoloaders had nothing to do with the negligent discharges. Glocks don't have manual safeties, and the accidental shootings were because of that.
JustOneGunner (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
A timing issue takes a gun out of commission. If an autoloader jams, a tap and rack fix everything but a double feed (which isn't much harder to clear). I'd definitely take that over the very real possibility of TOTAL failure that can't be fixed in the field -- not to mention better trigger pull, for everything but DAO guns.
JustOneGunner (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
NEVER judge a weapon based on what armed forces use it. The M16 is a perfect example of why that judgment isn't reliable -- as the M16 is a piece of crap.
ChopperSix (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"I won't carry a slider"
Agree - when the DC cops swapped to Glocks several of them shot other cops, or themselves in the butt (while drawing) -- big signs at their booking station: "Don't Get Glocked." Most city cops are real amateurs when it comes to firearms - hardly ready for slide guns.
I often carry a Davis .22mag derringer, esp in the summer with shorts & T-shirt. The best gun is the one that you ALWAYS carry & you barely notice the weight. Derringers, like revolvers, don't jam.
ChopperSix (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"I won't carry a slider"
Agree - when the DC cops swapped to Glocks several of them shot other cops, or themselves in the butt (while drawing) -- big signs at their booking station: "Don't Get Glocked." Most city cops are real amateurs when it comes to firearms - hardly ready for slide guns.
I often carry a Davis .22mag derringer, esp in the summer with shorts & T-shirt. The best gun is the one that you ALWAYS carry & you barely notice the weight. Derringers, like revolvers, don't jam.
blaupunkt455 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"find a good hollowpoint that cycled well in it"
Another reason I won't carry a slider -- too much ammo pickiness. I have a great gun - an old Grendel .22magnum - that carries 30 (!) in the magazine but will only take one brand of ammo reliably. I've had several other sliders that were picky, & dirty, muddy environments can turn even decent sliders into expensive rocks. I shoot them at the range, but won't carry one.
There's a reason the military issues .38s as survival wpns to pilots.
blaupunkt455 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"timing issues are very common...whereas even the worst malfunctions with an autoloader are fixed with a tap and rack"
Perhaps, but I suspect those are cheapie wheels, or so old someone should have noticed the timing yrs ago. In 20 yrs of Army range time, I never saw a .357 or .38 problem, but tons of .45 - 9mm jams -- our armorer spent most of his time on sliders.
My old Ruger .357 has had over 30,000 rds & the bore is a bit over now, but still groups decently. Sliders seldom go that far.
blaupunkt455 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"screw the mossberg...long live the remington...just because the military buys them cheaper..."
No, he's right -- at the Army tests back in the 90s, only the Mossberg met the req'mt: something like 15,000 cycles w/o a jam. beretta, franchi, rem -- nothing else made it, but Mossberg went past it by about 5,000 cycles before they quit testing. There were big Mossberg ads in The Rifleman about it, which is why I bought my 500 also.
My Rem 1100 is great, but for pure reliability: Moss500
deusredeemer (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
screw the mossberg...long live the remington...just because the military buys them cheaper doesnt mean they get a better gun.....(those tests are just the excuse...im just kidding on this one....) the 870 is far smoother .has a steel receiver.....and easier to disassemble ...and reassemble |
